Latest from the state that gave us the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
If you really want to follow the latest in this race, read Eric Zorn.. He has an even larger obsession with Keyes than I do....
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Your Full Metal Alan moment in last night's televised U.S. Senate race debate between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Alan Keyes occurred with about 10 minutes to go, when Keyes said:
"The wonderful thing that one learns when one deals, actually, with logic and philosophy is that when I have a point proven over here, the fact that that same point applies in an entirely different circumstance does not prove the error of my logic."
The context of this patronizing, pointy-headed, hair-splitting remark was a back and forth about Keyes' previous statements linking parenthood by gay couples to incest.
KEYES: "It's actually very simple. I have over here two females…those two females are intent on having – quote having – a child. Which they cannot have, obviously, unless you involve a male.
The procedures that are used now by many lesbian couples are procedures that mask the identity of the father, so it will not be known. So it will not and cannot be known who is the father of that child….
Once you have made that effort, you have produced a child who cannot know who its father is. Cannot know that. Now if you don't know and have no way of ascertaining who the father is, then you cannot know who your sisters and brothers are either.
And if you can't know who your sisters and brothers are, there is no way you could avoid having sexual relations with them. So logically speaking--excuse me, excuse me, excuse me--- I know that Sen. Obama sometimes has a hard time getting from A to B. But from A to B is a simple, logical step, which I believe most people in the state of Illinois have the common sense to see."
OBAMA: "According to Mr. Keyes then, that would be true of many adoptions where they often don't know who their parents are. It would be true any time an infertile couple gets a sperm donor to help them have a child. Your logic wasn't that complicated. It was just wrong."
KEYES: "The wonderful thing that one learns when one deals actually with logic and philosophy is that when I have a point proven over here, the fact that that same point applies in an entirely different circumstance, does not prove the error of my logic. It simply proves that that logic may or may not exist elsewhere.
If I have ascertained that a mistake is made over here, telling me that the same mistake may also be made over here doesn't invalidate the logic which identified the mistake. And that's where you're having a problem."
But of course where Keyes has a problem is more in selective application and mean-spirited use of his logic than in the logic itself.
One might say it's as though he were using car accidents caused by drunk drivers to make a case against martinis.
OBTUSION CONFUSION
In the post-debate news conference at WTTW, a reporter asked Keyes, "Do you think you have a chance of winning this election?"
Keyes responded: "I think I am winning this election, and I think it's going to be proven on Nov. 2. But, as I say, this is for God to know and for the obtuse media in Illinois to find out."
He thinks he's going to win, and we're obtuse?
He chatters on and on about how he does God's bidding --- "if you stand in the place where God wants you to stand, the outcome will be according to his will" -- yet he continues running for office even though he's always roundly rejected by voters, and we're obtuse?
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Way beyond fair use snippet:
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Your Full Metal Alan moment in last night's televised U.S. Senate race debate between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Alan Keyes occurred with about 10 minutes to go, when Keyes said:
"The wonderful thing that one learns when one deals, actually, with logic and philosophy is that when I have a point proven over here, the fact that that same point applies in an entirely different circumstance does not prove the error of my logic."
The context of this patronizing, pointy-headed, hair-splitting remark was a back and forth about Keyes' previous statements linking parenthood by gay couples to incest.
KEYES: "It's actually very simple. I have over here two females…those two females are intent on having – quote having – a child. Which they cannot have, obviously, unless you involve a male.
The procedures that are used now by many lesbian couples are procedures that mask the identity of the father, so it will not be known. So it will not and cannot be known who is the father of that child….
Once you have made that effort, you have produced a child who cannot know who its father is. Cannot know that. Now if you don't know and have no way of ascertaining who the father is, then you cannot know who your sisters and brothers are either.
And if you can't know who your sisters and brothers are, there is no way you could avoid having sexual relations with them. So logically speaking--excuse me, excuse me, excuse me--- I know that Sen. Obama sometimes has a hard time getting from A to B. But from A to B is a simple, logical step, which I believe most people in the state of Illinois have the common sense to see."
OBAMA: "According to Mr. Keyes then, that would be true of many adoptions where they often don't know who their parents are. It would be true any time an infertile couple gets a sperm donor to help them have a child. Your logic wasn't that complicated. It was just wrong."
KEYES: "The wonderful thing that one learns when one deals actually with logic and philosophy is that when I have a point proven over here, the fact that that same point applies in an entirely different circumstance, does not prove the error of my logic. It simply proves that that logic may or may not exist elsewhere.
If I have ascertained that a mistake is made over here, telling me that the same mistake may also be made over here doesn't invalidate the logic which identified the mistake. And that's where you're having a problem."
But of course where Keyes has a problem is more in selective application and mean-spirited use of his logic than in the logic itself.
One might say it's as though he were using car accidents caused by drunk drivers to make a case against martinis.
OBTUSION CONFUSION
In the post-debate news conference at WTTW, a reporter asked Keyes, "Do you think you have a chance of winning this election?"
Keyes responded: "I think I am winning this election, and I think it's going to be proven on Nov. 2. But, as I say, this is for God to know and for the obtuse media in Illinois to find out."
He thinks he's going to win, and we're obtuse?
He chatters on and on about how he does God's bidding --- "if you stand in the place where God wants you to stand, the outcome will be according to his will" -- yet he continues running for office even though he's always roundly rejected by voters, and we're obtuse?
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